Is that necessary in this case? In exactly the same way that the family's reluctance to permit further tests looks like they're afraid they don't want the answer.We're in unknown territory. Mirranda's parents were successful in preventing the hospital from discontinuing somatic support but they were unable to compel them to perform a tracheostomy and insert a feeding tube. Rizvi MB, Conners GP, King KC, Lopez RA, Bohlen J, Rabiner J. They did give a death certificate but her mom is keeping her on the machines. : let her daughter actually die. A worker at Acts Full Gospel Church places a photo of Jahi McMath before her funeral on Friday, July 6, 2018, in Oakland, Calif. Kaylah Lillard, second from left, cries during a funeral for her friend Jahi McMath on Friday, July 6, 2018, in Oakland, Calif. Mourners look at photos of Jahi McMath during her funeral on Friday, July 6, 2018, in Oakland, Calif. Nailah Winkfield, left, arrives at a funeral for her daughter Jahi McMath on Friday, July 6, 2018, in Oakland, Calif. At right is Wanda Johnson, whose son Oscar Grant was killed by a BART police officer in 2009. The government involvement in that case was scary. For all the commentators who decry the family, that's all well and good, have at it. I can only hope they have been taken in by the respective dads' families and are hopefully living a more normal life. But whether or not they intended it, her lawyers and family have raised a couple of legitimate questions where medicine does not have good answers but does have new technology. The whole thing is a cluster #$@k..I mean what if on a spiritual level, she is caught somewhere very unpleasant. Even though doctors there agreed she met the criteria for brain death they never performed an apnea test so she has yet to be officially diagnosed as brain dead in New Jersey.The family found a Christian fundamentalist doctor, Alieta Eck, to treat her once she left St. Peter's. The bills were in the millions per year. Have worked in the graphics/photo arena since the 1980's. Given Jahi has a death certificate signed by a coroner does this mean mamanails is committing fraud?To get custody of Jahi's body she had to admit and accept Jahi was dead. This led to a bioethical debate engendered by her family's rejection of the medicolegal findings of death in the case, and their efforts to maintain her body using mechanical ventilation and other measures. Die die like 6 feet under die. I also heard that the mother said she only gave her a popsicle, nothing more. I still love him, I still miss him, we still visit the cemetery he is buried next to his brother in, I still talk to them. ("We declared her dead and the dead cannot rise so let's not look to closely to see whether we were wrong") It is quite likely that the conventional wisdom ("it can't happen") is correct, but a persistent refusal to check up on it looks to me like there might be some doubt. They all need it - the mom and the siblings in particular. Dear all, sorry for the typing mistakes. Why is it that she keeps on "living" when Mirranda Grace Lawson, who was only 2, did not? The death certificate was signed, but never filed. I mean the disability payment is minimal (700$) a month, if they got their a License to be a carer for her, they get paid money to take care of her. Claiming ignorance at a certain point isnt acceptable. Yet, according to the state of California, Jahi was no longer alive as of 2014despite her parents' adamant claims to the contrary. I don't know if that makes a legal difference. It's funny because the psychos blast everyone for having an opinion and some who insult the family [though I think insulting the family is a little far too] yet they're doing the same thing to others. I think Shewmon was taking the family's word for it just like he took their word for her supposedly moving on command since he admitted she never moved in his presence. While she was in a persistent vegetative state, the shenanigans remind me of Jahi's. It's certainly an unprecedented situation. I would also be curious if the family members are getting paid by the government to take care of Jahi. Until the mother accepts the fact that Jahi is dead the self induced suffering will continue especially for her other children. [3] Her family was informed that she was legally dead,[22] and that as a result, life support systems would be discontinued. I'm going to make a fallacy argument, BMI is based off a military young white male, fast forward 50 years and we come to find out minorities and females have different body structures and they don't always fit in the parameters of the original BMI.. She joined the Chronicle in 2015 after stints at several alt weekly newspapers. We never know how much brain tissue is damaged until after the heart restarts, so we tend to continue the resuscitation, especially with children. It's interesting to note that to this day the Schiavo family does not accept the autopsy results. Her stepfather also has at least one child (featured in a wedding day photo) and I can't imagine she's happy that her father has devoted this much time and attention to her dead stepsister.Or maybe she's good with it but I would be surprised if it were the case. I always hear neuro experts say "Well,in brain death you can see this or you can see that." Now they claim she is playing a piano. Lessons from the Jahi McMath Case. I watched the video maybe three times, because I thought I missed it the first time. If they didn't want people commenting on it, they wouldn't have put in in the news in the first place. It looks to me like they had to "add" hair - it is just a black blur now, the face looks elongated, like they used imagery from an older photo and melded it with part of a new photo. [14], After viewing over four dozen independent videos of McMath, Alan Shewmon, a UCLA pediatric neurologist, declared her technically alive in a June 29, 2017, court filing, stating that the girl follows movement commands and exhibits other proof of life. Her magnetic resonance imaging scan 9 1/2 months later surprisingly This was the question I asked Mrs. Bastard when she was pregnant with our first child and wanted EDIT: New and improved version, now with 83 of your favourite myths. Thank you! Anyway, the reason a brain dead individual often looks like s/he hasn't lost weight is due to being given steroids which must be given since there is no longer any ACTH produced by the pituitary to get the adrenals to secrete cortisol which is a physiologic necessity. Thanks for the reference Dr. Franklin, it was an interesting comparison. This test result establishes to a reasonable degree of medical certainty that J. McMath cannot respond to verbal commands because she has no cerebral mechanism to hear sound. Jahi's siblings aren't being allowed to move on, instead watching their older sister languishing in a hospital bed hooked to machines that keep her breathing. Four and a half years since she was pronounced dead at age 13 by the Alameda County coroner's office, Oakland teen Jahi McMath will be buried at a cemetery in Hayward, bringing some emotional . Jahi was declared brain dead more than two years ago after a surgery the family alleges went wrong. Her photo stirred deep . Not too long ago, Granny posted about Jahi playing the piano, giving thumbs up signs, picking up popcorn with her fingers. "I agree with DocB that the cases aren't comparable to Jahi McMath but I did specifically ask Dr. Franklin about post mortem studies in PVS patients. The three-week battle to keep a brain-dead Oakland girl on a ventilator could complicate efforts to determine Jahi McMath's precise cause of death, some experts say. If a brain dead person is in a hospital until a long term care facility can be found to take them, the hospital often has to eat the costs. Jahi is most certainly on Medicaid. but it is true that their current residence in Jersey appears to e a more northern climate than Oakland, and part of the family complaints have been of being cold, even though you are right that Jersey is "back east" the north/south move seems to be the more significant one. McMath's case drew national attention when her family refused to accept the conclusion of doctors who declared the girl dead in December 2013, when she was 13, after suffering irreversible brain . Nope. As the good Doctor has written in this blog many organs can function without the help of the brain. I HAVE ADDED ALL THE NEW ONES IN ORDER. 3) You are welcome to call me whatever you like, and I've never once claimed that having a blog qualifies me as anything other than an amateur writer. - Internet. If you don't like it, feel free to fuck off.2) There have been exactly -0- cases of brain death that have recovered in the history of mankind. The body decays once oxygen is stopped from perfusing tissue.These results as noted by the true experts indicated that she truly is dead. case in point: California is 12 hours from top to bottom, assuming you don't mind getting assessed for velocity tax. We all shall pray for Nailah and family. she's not just mostly dead, she's go through her pockets and look for loose change dead. And what does it tell us about future cases. But still doesn't exactly explain if you shook her head, would it sound like a coconut? that being that her appearance has more to do with photo manipulation than medicine. video of Jahi supposedly moving her foot to command, video was posted of Jahi supposedly breathing over the ventilator, 124 (now 144) (now now 157) papers that DO NOT prove vaccines cause autism. Jahi's situation as to hearing is apparently the same. I doubt any lawyer would take that lawsuit, since there is nothing substantial to be gained by it; and I also don't see anyone being so cold hearted as to actually file charges against Granny; but it does put CHO in the position that they, now that the records have been unsealed, can say "we told them to do this, and they chose to do that, instead. This whole situation just makes me think if my opinion of Typhoid Mary. Haven't been here for a while so let me weigh in with my opinionReading the pleadings and the information there is no question that the diagnosis of brain death in the patient in 2013 was correct. The .gov means its official. Shouldn't she also suffer from cachexia? Cardiac tissue is much less sensitive to hypoxia (decreased oxygen) compared to brain tissue, so it takes much longer for myocardium to die. [60] The lawsuit alleges that the surgeon noted an abnormal artery in McMath's throat but did not notify the nurses that this placed the girl at increased risk for serious hemorrhaging. Have you seen the latest picture from the prayer page,that is the one Im talking about. I can't help but wonder if the videos are supposed to get public opinion swayed in favor of the family, but I don't know what purpose that will serve. As far as I know the only sure way to determine how far the brain has liquefied in a corpse is an autopsy. No judge in America can get away with an order to remove her from life support after have seen that video. But there are cases of prolonged somatic support, and no one claims otherwise.There are many cases of comatose people waking up, and some have reported memories of their comas to varying degrees. "You are" meaning Mom Nails. That makes sense. I mean, who lets a kid bleed to death in their ICU, right? If Jahi has any siblings they are the real victims. Ultimately, God knows and is the judge. Careers. For the remainder of her life, expect to hear in one way or another (books or movies) how MomNails was oh so forced to "kill" i.e. keep in mind grandma said, on TV that she had taken it upon herself to suction the surgery site, and then handed off the wand for jahi to do her own suction, all of her own accord. I know she is -- no pupillary reflex, no purposeful movement, no auditory pathways. First, any set of tests should be reliable: Repeated applications of the tests by different examiners, or at different time points, should yield the same diagnostic result. Playing the piano? Of course, his autopsy showed his brain to be a calcified mass. This is unhealthy for them. Hastings Cent Rep. 2018 Nov;48 Suppl 4:S74-S76. There are no up-to-date photos, no official medical statements except for those confirming brain death, signs of decomposition on the previous photos - I see no reason why it's not a money scam. It feels unreal and as if a part of you died along with your loved one. Also thank you for the prayers, still grieving over my mom whom I lost to cancer less than a month ago. That is public. [16] Her family refused to accept the medical declaration of death by neurological criteria, said that McMath was not dead, and initiated legal proceedings in an effort to require the hospital to continue treatment. All the attention they should be getting is directed to a brain dead child. They are asking the court to determine liability first. Truly Reconciling the Case of Jahi McMath. Dolan echoed those sentiments in his speech at the funeral, in which he recounted an emotional meeting between Jahis parents and the doctors at Childrens Hospital, days after Jahi was deemed brain-dead. Shed be a cook for a family, theyd get sick shed quit move and change her name and start over. He spent some hours with Jahi over a two day period back in December of 2014 but these two purported periods were said to have occurred in August and September of 2014. The brain dead person is taking up a bed and staff time that can be used to care for someone who can actually be helped. Remember, and this is important, brain death is an artificial clinical construct we created. The Alameda County Coroner . It's hard to argue fraud in that case. Maybe. Where's the feeding tube going to? I wondered that for Terri Schiavo as well. Refusing to accept the doctors determination that Jahi was dead, Nailah and Marvin Winkfield flew Jahi to New Jersey the only state that defers to a familys religious beliefs when determining whether a person has died and kept her on life support for years. I don't know why I hadn't thought of the obvious dura involved in my case and hers. How come Jahis body isn't all bent up from not moving? Although legally dead, she continues . I also find it funny the psychos come here and insult people. Byrne, a neonatologist, has campaigned against the medical consensus of accepting brain death as death. We've even see Jahi posed sitting up cross legged with her head - for some reason (ahem) - cut out of the photo. Nobody can live without a brain. Jahi does not. It's easy to force an opinion unless experience the death of a child. First, I was frustrated by Nailah believing Nano is alive. What about that "quack" Doc Bastard? FOIA Plus all the past litigation ..It's so very sad as said, that one deranged Mother who obviously needs desperately psych care, didn't and isn't receiving it, and thus places everyone around her in limbo because of it; all somehow thinking it's "God's will". That makes a whole lot more sense. Jahi's case most likely represents an instance of global ischemic penumbra (GIP) mimicking brain death (BD), with intracranial blood flow too low to support neuronal function or to be detected by radionuclide scan but sufficient to prevent widespread necrosis. A video recording of an ice cube touched to the foot of Jahi McMath has been distributed. Remember Jahi was right as the repeal vote was happening related to California tough malpractice protections. If they appeared that way, they were just chapped. The coroner's office had issued an official death certificate for McMath on January 3, 2014, with the date of death listed as December 12, 2013. thanks for askingCory. If that exam verifies that she meets brain death criteria it's anyone's guess what might happen afterward. "anti-brain death quack Dr. Paul Byrne""quack"well that settles it. I assume we all know who Typhoid Mary is. Doctor BastardI know the family has to feed and bathe Jahi, but what kinds of medical care might she be receiving? The attorney later withdrew this request, saying he wanted time for the court-appointed medical expert and his own medical experts to confer. Shewmon reports several cases of "chronic brain death" where sexual maturation and proportional growth occurred (Shewmon 1998 ), most recently reporting menarche in Jahi McMath, who was declared dead by neurological criteria but received continued treatment for nearly five years, after a court-mediated compromise between her parents and the Even in doubt of the docs, maybe he would be in a vegetative state, would it be what he wanted.. I've questioned their motives but regardless of my opinion, I really believe they are suffering, experiencing tremendous pain and causing more harm to their entire family by neglecting self care. This is because they know of the case, not because of Facebook campaigns. I would be interested in DocB's opinion too. Over on the Keep page people are still asking for the videos that were promised back in February to no avail. Look closely at her FB page photo and look at the hair in comparison to last year. I mean shouldn't the hospitals in this lawsuit be interested in having this done?I feel sorry for the ones left standing in the background, the other children (siblings) who've been deprived of being able to properly grieve their sister, who were deprived of a mother caring properly for them .. Not certain how much if any: money plays a role. The lawyer for the family of Jahi McMath said this week the 13-year-old girl's body had deteriorated badly since she was declared brain-dead at an Oakland hospital. Someone should recommend the family to a therapist if they are not already receiving some form of counseling. Can't anyone come to their senses and force this family to let go? Jahi was declared brain dead Dec. 12, three days after the operation at Children's Hospital in Oakland, Calif. After the surgery, in the intensive care unit, according to news reports, profuse. The hospital protests in which supporters of the family chanted, Dont pull the plug! were long over, and relatives dabbed tears as they recalled Jahis cherubic smile, her love of manicures and her penchant for wearing hoodies and flip-flops during winter. She was indeed shrunken and obvious necrosis on her lip/mouth area. Unauthorized use of these marks is strictly prohibited. I'll start this post by answering a few questions that may or may not be burning in your mind: No, I'm not dead. Doc, I do understand that Jahi is dead, and will never become less so. we are not liable for what they did. I have a question. After true death, chest compressions or a ventilator can only move air; there cannot be respiration . What it is overwhelmingly, however, is WEST. And no I don't think Jahi McMAth will ever wake up. With a DC, the limit is $250,000. The caregiver also stated there were numerous no pest strips hanging and windows were always kept open due to the smell. Oops, while editing I forgot to delete the last sentence. Perhaps Jahi is temporarily dead for tax purposes?Zaphod Beeblebrox: Did you talk to the big noiseboy?Ford Prefect: Hotblack? Now i know it sounds unrelated but hear me out. But there was a famous (on the internet) video of Teresa following a balloon with her eyes.Then comes the autopsy, and we learn that the part of the brain which processes vision was missing in Teresa. I watched the video. OK Doc, so you said :"Nakagawa also goes over Jahi's brain flow scan on December 23, 2013 (page 33) which showed a complete absence of blood flow to the brain, which Dr. Fisher calls "beyond definitive". P. Thank you for saying this eloquently and much more tact than I'll ever be able to. Her parents considered these measures to constitute life support, while her doctors considered this to be futile treatment of a deceased person. It bears repeating, however, that at autopsy the Japanese brain death patient who "survived" somatically for 20 years had no discernible neural tissue remaining where his brain used to be, and that Jahi's brain was oxygen-deprived for nearly 2 weeks. Vent auto-triggering happens often enough in brain dead bodies to be covered in training programs for medical professionals. Second, yes this kind thing could always give families false hope. Organ music thrummed. Upon issuance of a death certificate shortly after the declaration of brain death, Jahi was transferred from California to New Jersey, where the law includes a religious exemption from the neurologic determination of death.
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