0000510186 00000 n Worse then Phillip-Morris, which in addition to selling tobacco, has been cited for child labor? Articles like that are written for people who think that every nonsense thing they read on the internet is true. 0000011681 00000 n Ferry-Morse has been trusted by gardeners since 1856. I dont even have the time to read the above entire article on Monsanto, but a quick scan of the section on Controversies, shows that all over the world, people are fighting against Monsanto because of the ill effect that their association with the company has had. Repeat the same flaws?' It sounds more like an environmental disaster in India to me, if this information is accurate. The genetic engineering of human insulin was actually the first patent awarded in the field in the 1980's. I will not throw my favorite large red hybrid tomato, developed before 1970, under the bus just because Monsanto bought it. "Tomato Growers Supply Company is a family-owned small specialty seed company founded in 1984 by Vince and Linda Sapp. Ferry Seed Company merged with the California based seed company C. C. Morse Company in 1930 to become the Ferry-Morse Seed Company. It's important to realize that, while there are definitely aspects of the issue that are, at best, unsavory, and at worst downright deplorable, there are also those beneficial and worthy parts of the whole as well. Hopefully IF it is explained well enough others might get a better understanding of the issue.". I haven't bought a non organic commercial fertilizer in 30 years of growing. [8] In 1959, the headquarters of the business moved to western Kentucky. 0000510282 00000 n We are off-topic of avoiding GMO seeds (since all home garden seeds are GMO-free, even those from big bad Monsanto). How did we get to this point? To blame it all on GE crops is not an accurate portrayal of reality. Ferry & Co. [ edit] Ferry seed catalog for 1900 I just wish the world could be as calm about it as you and I. It goes against my core beliefs. But, I think I've spent enough time responding to this thread. I agree that we are all too far removed from the reality of what is going on with our food supply, but I also believe that most people expect the government agencies to be protecting us from risks and dangers to the food supply, which would include GMO seeds and foods. 2023 Plantation Products, LLC, dba Green Garden Products. It is a free country and they can do that. Both a little assertive. Yes, you have the burden of fact checking any information for yourself. American Seed offers high quality products with a goal of remaining affordable for consumers. A 200' pier ran out into Lake Charlevoix. California Poppy Ex Golden Flower Seeds (Seed Packet) .75-Gram. Companies are bought and sold every day in the seed business, and the corporate owners usually have nothing to do with the good people working at them who are hard working employees, many who like gardening and natural living, like me. I use $0.50 worth of seeds each year from it. Thanks for the rest of the links. This logical flaw is similar to "Denying a Conjunct" (wiki link where it is defined). I don't want to win, I want to learn from you. Any seed you buy will not be GMO, unless you are a commercial farmer and then you will must sign a GMO agreement before they will sell you seeds. Still any article or post or thread that criticizes GMO is a good thing to me, because it gets the word out. ASM198 - Since the Infowars site is unreliable, I went looking for reliable sources and tried to think what I consider reliable. Is there any way to stop getting notifications of this topic? 0000016755 00000 n Compare $ 2 49. You're right there are plenty of companies competing for worst company status. prarie, clear as day. There are smaller seed companies out there trying to get established just as the seed industry is consolidating. I quote your response to them: "Yes, I understand that people exaggerate, often because they've had an emotional reaction to something that really disturbs them. Ferry-Morse has been a trusted seed brand since 1856. There is only room for one other comment before this post becomes to long for me. Molanic, I just finished reading that article in Mother Earth News. I assumed good faith on your part and I accept you have a differing point of view, and I would not introduce the possibility of ulterior motive on your part for that! You think that you have answered it, but to me that was not an answer. Pupilla - I just saw this response. Ed and I briefly went back and forth about the original article and I made a simple comment that I was always glad when GMO was brought to the attention of the public for the benefit of those who are unaware of it, which I've already apologized for not making clear enough. $1.44. Only you, evidently, are in pursuit of the truth, and are not trying to mislead or manipulate? Approximately 40% of the rice harvest is lost each year to pest and disease issues as a result of the protracted flooding of paddies. Ferry-Morse. Their catalog is a wealth of information. Respect your time? Let me get this straight. Again, you opened up the discussion of GMO when you challenged the idea of boycotting GMO seed companies. Can we distinguish between, what you said --- that I originally said that getting the word out produced a better understanding. You seem to be trying to straddle both sides and see yourself above everyone else. Thats a pretty negative view of people who you dont agree with. 0000492936 00000 n Two posters before you objected to how riddled with false information the linked article that forms the basis of this thread is. Monsanto and the other companies you mention, are basically in the biotech field. Not all "progress" is a good thing and we often dive headfirst into it without truly knowing the full ramifications. After the material costs, Monsanto get about $0.02 per year from me and it probably costs them $0.03. Founded in 1850, Livingston is best known for bringing the modern tomato to the world. [3] Ferry built a new warehouse, and by 1890 was doing over a million and a half dollars in business annually. This just isn't true. You're right, kilngod, someone should have researched before they put them on the list. Do you have 12 months to wait for it? Are all Ferry Morse seeds heirloom? If you wanted to discuss this topic, based on debate rules and theories, you should have mentioned that in the beginning and sought my agreement to discuss accordingly. After only your very first paragraph, I am already disagreeing with everything youve said. I did a bit of research, I don't believe that Ferry Morse/ Jiffy/ American Seed is owned by Monsanto. And I don't think Monsanto will own these forever, the way they go, not very long at all since it is such an insignificant business to them. While most companies have a life span of 50-60 years, the average age of our brands is 122 years! And I don't feel any need to defend my complete dislike of Monsanto and what they are about. Add to Cart. [3] A. E. F. White, John Stoughton Newberry, and W. K. Anderson were also officers. It is like watching supermarkets (Big Ag) swallow up the local produce markets (Kramer's Corner Peach Shop), and then either take control over and frequently discontinue products I like. I try to learn how to make a habitat for pollinators. I buy native plants and grow organically. And you are right, we're probably not putting a dent in their bottom line. [3] Its profits continued to be stable until 1865, when Ferry bought out Gardner's share and took over the company. The business was merged into Plantation Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. If you can tell their ideology from the title, it probably isn't. It also gives a list of seed companies that are not.(link)". for pricing and availability. Ferry-Morse is one of the oldest operating seed companies in the United States, having been in continuous operation since 1856! Model # 629313.1220.199.9085. Pupilla - you seem to clearly be of a divided mind here. False is false. Monsanto mounts an aggressive GMO PR campaign 2015, http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/The-Bite/2015/0318/Monsanto-mounts-an-aggressive-GMO-PR-campaign. [8], In the early 1900s, D.M. BTW, Scott's is so into bed with reciprocal marketing companies with Monsanto compared to the companies mentioned it is crazy. You should not assume I must do all the grunt work for an argument if I start and find no credibility nor effort to fact check on your part. Please explain, what it is about a desire not to see genetically modified seeds and plants that you object to? I don't expect that me avoiding buying their products is really going to put a dent in their bottom line, but I still don't like giving them my money. It even shows up innocently on GW here, except misquoting the quarter of a million figure total as a quarter of a million people per year :-( You are not pleased with me for "picking apart", even though you request fact checking on your link. It goes against my core beliefs. How about if the potential outcome is something to really be afraid of, that doesn't matter? Web-equivalent of footnotes. 0000010754 00000 n For example, RH Shumway, Roots and Rhizomes, McClure and Zimmerman, TotallyTomato, and Vermont Bean are owned by JW Jung Seed. Today Livingston is the number one supplier of top-quality, 100% Non-GMO seeds for independent businesses. So you claim there is no reason to avoid any seed company. [14][15], In 2021, Central Garden & Pet acquired Green Garden Products and its brand names Ferry-Morse, American Seed, Livingston Seed, McKenzie, NK Lawn & Garden, Jiffy, SUPERthrive, Dyna-Gro and Seeds of Change.[16]. Or that people who oppose GMOs do not have legitimate reasons to consider them dangerous? If you have some opinion on GMO seeds, on Monsanto, or other companies producing GMO seeds, or the preservation of non GMO seeds, which are the topic of this thread, then perhaps you might share that in concise and direct language and leave out the rest. Argument: an oral disagreement; verbal opposition. I purchase more seed from FEDCO, than Monsanto (Better Boy, Early Girl). Ferry-Morse 3.6G Wildflower Sunny Meadow Mixture Flower Seeds Packet - Seed Gardening, Full Sunlight. Great prices. That is disrespectful. 0000011324 00000 n Ferry Morse is not owned by Monsanto. What can I personally do about it? We just have different ways of looking at this and won't change each other. I responded with a simple report on the seed companies I enjoy using that I have confidence do not carry GMO seeds. You only have to look around at many examples of when we have done that. And what is going to happen to the seed they are selling? You seem to feel that what you have to say is much more important than anything I have to say. Audubon Workshop Breck's Bulbs Cook's Garden Dege Garden Center Earl May Seed E & R Seed Co Ferry Morse Flower of the Month Club Gardens Alive Germania Seed Co Garden Trends HPS Jung Seed Genetics Lindenberg Seeds McClure and Zimmerman Quality Bulb Brokers Mountain Valley . And even though we have different viewpoints, I've never used MG, nor do I plan to! Charlevoix operations continued until 1927. The cries against GE crops can be so shrill and misinformed that it leads people to destroy test fields of the golden rice, ruining not only beneficial scientific progress and research, but medicine that children in poor countries desperately need. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. We boycott all gene-altering companies." they also are connected with an heirloom gardening magazine. I do not think Better Boy or the entire home garden seed market makes any difference to Monsanto. And since I am anti-Monsanto I see no other way to interpret that, except that you consider me and anyone against what Monsanto does to be an anti-Monsanto preacher.]]]. You answer in a round about way. Which seed companies are owned by Monsanto? I prefer to make my own decisions and not be conned. Why are you insisting to know my religious beliefs, which is what I consider this? No you dont see Monsanto rescuing us but yet, you are hoping that the GMO potential solution will. We take pride in helping families across the country enjoy gardening and the fresh foods and flowers the garden produces. You can't believe anything from infowars - their site has been taken down because of all of the conspiracy theories and fake news. 0000519175 00000 n 5.0 out of 5 stars . As for the GMO involved, yes, it is the leading potential solution and everyone will probably have equal and free access to it, including every other country around the world growing Citrus. And once again - there is the old 'debate theories and rules,' that you have decided apply to our conversation. Find My Store. Burpee seeds is not owned by Monsanto but has admitted to "buying a small number of seeds" from Seminis. $1.96. One of them I am confused by, and in the other one you say, I'll address first, starting with your quotes which relate to similar questions about me and my issues: " Are these smaller seed companies you are concerned for, owned by Monsanto? http://planet.infowars.com/uncategorized/seed-companies-owned-by-monsanto. But please own your words, since those original words I found objectional, and I respect you for what you say, and would feel foolish to participate in a conversation where at the end I am told I misquoted someone when I did not and would not, and if it happened by accident I would instantly correct and apologize, because I will own my mistake. I have not appealed to you even to acknowledge that you told me millions of people are dying due to GMOs in India. If home gardening seed is a small portion of the seed they sell, then targeting commercial seed sales seems to be the way to go. If anything the larger companies have less questionable variety development. At SEEDS OF CHANGE, we believe in the power of plants, which is why weve pledged to not only put more plants on the table, but also to put more in the ground. Without pioneers in the field of biotechnology, we would still be battling diabetes with insulin taken from slaughterhouse animals. If you are attempting to correct something that you believe is misleading about someone's post, than do so. Free shipping any order of $50+! 0000019942 00000 n And is it inaccurate to say that Monsanto does produce GMO seeds and that is their main goal? If you have done any research at all, you have to be aware of things that Monsanto has done and is doing, that you dont agree with. Anyway, let me try again.without going back to reread the thread again. McKenzie is Canada's #1 seed packet company. This is just disrespectful. I am not an evangelist, simply a critical thinker who keeps their faith to themselves and encourages others to respect the belief of all just not to manipulate others with the sort of false, misleading & manipulative, and incomplete information which activists on both artificially created poles routinely are doing. They also sell organic supplies that are not always easy to find. However there is one point I can beef up. What, remove names once someone finds an inaccuracy? Then I read: "Johnnys Seeds, Burpee Seeds, Territorial Seeds and Park Seeds Have Been Removed From This List, They Are Not Owned By Monsanto in Any way; These Companies Do Sell Great Quality Products In Whole." None of Big Ag is involved in making Florida Orange Juice GMO, so it is very different. It's a conspiracy theory website and anyone can post articles there. I also have many other heirloom tomatoes which I enjoy too, and I am happy with the current GMO-free assortment of interesting heirlooms and faithful hybrids I get dependable results growing and are delicious. I will not martyr my favorite varieties as you might. It is one thing to be mad when a large company deprives me of seeds and has other businesses that are very profitable which can seem not to benefit consumers. Now I see that two hours was not even enough to satisfy you and that you have more about what Ive had to say, to criticize and pick apart. I see the natural world, and I see the effect that humans have had on it, when they assume that they know enough to tamper with it. Thanks for providing me a second look at it. Citrus Browning disease to me is not a philosophical worry, it is an economic, cultural, and very real problem today that may force me to make a decision on a particular instance of a particular GMO. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse has earned the trust of home gardeners across the country. Their paper catalog usually has an update each year about what is going on with varieties that they are finding that are non GMO and varieties they are dropping because of an association with GMO seeds. Back in the early 1980s, there was only a 'seed' of the organic movement. We bought Giant, Violet Queen Zinna Seeds from Ferry-Morse Seed Co., then planted them, and carefully watered and nursed them! Ferry & Co.[2], The business grew steadily and, in 1879, was incorporated under the name D.M. I get it, you are a critical thinker, and independent thinker and a very detail oriented thinker. That is why there is a plethora of graphs and guides online trying to keep track of what they actually own. Here are some articles that should be reliable From Mother Earth News - 35 years in business, http://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/where-to-buy-non-gmo-seeds-zm0z15fmzsor.aspx, Resources for Taking Action on GMO Foods 2014, http://www.motherearthnews.com/real-food/gmo-foods-resources-ze0z1409zcwil.aspx. At this point in time, I do not have the time and did so reluctantly because I felt obligated to respond to your 2015 post addressed directly to me. After the ovule has ripened, seeds are the product. Certainly enough to raise concern for anyone willing to consider it and have a starting point to better understand it. I can't be the guy you throw a million things at hoping one will stick. Plenty of organic seed and NO GMO seed. If you need to label me, which I feel is unfair and would not do to you, please put me in the category of "independent thinker" and "undecided" on the whole GMO mess. There are so many, many tomato seeds in the world there has to be enough for everyone, that we can do without a couple, if it means gaining something more valuable. So, because of all these conversational choices youve made, from my end, it feels more like a monologue instead of a conversation. Since I just listed the reasons why I wanted to end the conversation, the question does not need to be answered by you. Jiffy created another industry breakthrough with the Jiffy pellet. That can only be because you have failed to grasp what my concerns are and what they mean. [7], Meanwhile, in 1874, R. W. Wilson began a seed-producing company based in Santa Clara, California. They are restricted by commercial agreement to the grower who makes it illegal for us to buy the seeds and Monsanto went along with that as a commercial decision. And this is just one example of you analyzing my contributions to the discussion. and aside from seeds, I don't use the kind of products they make any way. Here is a quote of what I said --, You seem to still want to believe that GMO seed may not be such a bad thing. Rodney - PC misquoted me, I said people becoming aware of the issue of GMOs was a good thing. [4] However, Ferry quickly re-organized the company, bought seeds from outside sources and absorbed two smaller seed companies, and the company managed to fill orders for its customers. What about the risks of GMO seeds and plants? Ferry Morse Seed Company is one of America's oldest and most trusted garden seed companies. In 1921, they bought the commission packet business from Morse. But because I dont know you, and because you continue to state your intentions are good, I choose to believe that you dont understand how adding this kind of analysis to the conversation becomes a problem. Well wishes to you too. for pricing and availability. Model # 629382.1220.199.9086. I'm sure that what I've had to say will not be satisfactory to you. There is nothing wrong with my logic. And you are complaining that I am disrespectful? 0000011436 00000 n Hopefully if it is explained well enough others might get a better understanding of the issue.". Invented in 1939, SUPERthrive has had a fabulous journey that few products can match all thanks to the creativity and passion of its founder, Dr. John Thomson. and adding if I must only bow to your statement, you have increased the negativity of what you said. I've ripped out invasives in my own property. It is from the Jan 2015 issue and talks about sourcing high quality seeds. 0000002615 00000 n Yes, I understand that people exaggerate, often because they've had an emotional reaction to something that really disturbs them. The first year the company did $6,000 in business. Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. Is that your point of view? The real unfortunate part of it is that disagreements between well meaning people like us add to the confusion of someone trying to learn more. If you really believe that your side of this conversation represents staying on the original subject as much as possible, than you did the best you could. How did you come to this conclusion? Over the years, the stocking evolved into high-tech netting that provides roots with the optimum amount of air and water. Perhaps because half of this thread is me, explaining and defending myself. Find My Store. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. Why are my sage seedlings true leaves dying . This is so sad. The recent development of the "Golden Rice Project" has aimed to genetically alter the staple crop to provide vitamin A to people who depend on rice for sustenance and as a result of their diet, often suffer severe deficiencies in the nutrient which can cause blindness and increases infant mortality rates in the developing world.In fact, as the worlds population continues to grow, use of GE crops shows significant promise to stabilizing the worlds food supply. More selfish motives that ignore what is good for mankind or the natural world, in general. That is because so much mistrust that has been sown by both sides. 0000001396 00000 n The plant is often grown in flooded paddies, but it can only survive for about 3 days under water. I just call you out for using fallacious logic or repeating long debunked claims you choose to provide links for about millions of people dying which have been debunked. You've made broad, generalizations about the people on both sides of this controversy as if you are not part of either side. This is no different from what was done in the name of religious fervor in the middle ages. I Like The Natural Species given by Mother Nature Much Better! In India, it goes on to say, there is now a biotech seed monopoly and Bt cotton seed has become the standard and organic seed has become unobtainable. And a few comments later, you said you were not looking for an argument, but I dispute that statement. prarie, I'll summarize what I found disagreeable (it was your post, quoted below) and hopefully the recap will serve as the explanation you ask for: 1. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. [1] Jiffy has moved production outside of Canada with over 70 people working at their location in Brandon. Model# 9507. Monsanto will not sell GMO seeds to the Home Gardener. First of all, you dont know that. Compare $ 1 99 (1) Model# 0069. That was not the complete information I was looking for. Reduce their power and influence by buying from people who are trustworthy and interested in keeping the food supply unadulterated. [5] Morse built the company up, and in 1884 bought out Kellogg and incorporated as C.C. What you have said here, is that people should not be avoiding Monsanto seed companies and you actually are indicating that you think that anyone who is avoiding Monsanto seed companies is either without logic, or has been manipulated or bullied and is afraid of something that they should not be afraid of. You have peppered your comments with plenty of complaints and labels of what I have had to say. You suggested that you respected this by saying afterwards: "I agree with you, it is an emotional issue, so sticking to facts and trying to say no less and no more than what you mean is important, just not always easy to do. :-). Yet you dont consider this statement a label? Also, government regulators are not reliable either! The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. On one hand, you object to boycotting Monsanto seed companies, on the other youre willing to offer suggestions on hitting their bottom line in other ways, as long as that doesnt jeopardize the tomato varieties that you dont want to lose. I suspect it is a lack of awareness. When you say, you would vote with your dollars for products like Roundup and Miracle Gro, and you are angry that a Monsanto product is not available to you, what I hear you saying, is that you are on board as far as seeing the ill effects of inorganic methods of gardening, but youre not really against genetically modified seeds. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse seeds have been sold continuously in the United States. What is it you expect - for me to write a thesis on GMOs to include for this thread? Wouldn't it appear they are trying to have a monopoly on seeds? Territorial is owned by Tom and Julie Johns, who have owned the company since they . And let me draw attention to the fact that you did not address the other half of my statement which was about the way in which youve added your analysis of me into the discussion. There is a present and significant danger that the $10 billion citrus industry in Florida will be destroyed and the best solution so far is a GMO project going on. It is your right to have that belief, whether religiously-based, socially-based, scientifically-based, statistically-based, etc. 0000510000 00000 n We later expanded the catalog to include peppers and eggplant since they are in the same plant family as tomatoes. I bought them last year and it was so convenient not to have to search all over the place for some of the items. I did not misquote you. And this article does a great job of explaining why I want to buy seed from these companies. Any talk of avoiding the seeds for purchase is circular logic intended to manipulate people by bullying them and using fear as a weapon. Most gardeners were quick to heap praise on their favorite seed companies and their . I haven't bought a herbicide or insecticide. I normally would not provide links to support my position. You entered the conversation challenging the idea of boycotting GMO seeds. But yet they have been included in the list. Im actually against biotech entirely. You evidently see no need to choose a side, but in making no choice you actually do make a choice. We are in the same boat, since it took me at least as much time as you to compose my replies for you or may I dare say maybe longer :-(, and your replies were not a walk through the park to read and I did visit and read every link you offered. What people seem to neglect in the conversation, is there is another side to the issue of genetic engineering.First, some things I will agree on: The overuse of herbicides and pesticides in agriculture and the GE of crops to resist the harmful side effects is cause for concern. If either of us does not grasp it, I think the person who is willing for GMO technology to tamper with our food supply is the more likely person to not grasp the gravity of the situation. No problem. I disagree that a better understanding of 'an issue' is gotten by simply 'getting the word out' with such low quality, false and misleading information with an agenda behind it described above as fear-mongering. I will continue to grow my varieties no matter who makes them since any home garden variety I can buy is GMO-free so it is a no-brainer since I like the variety I should stick up for it because tomato seeds don't have a voice in this mess and they will be lost forever, and anyone boycotting home garden seeds that Monsanto bought will only contribute to the loss of these varieties since Monsanto is only a friend of its shareholders and with the stroke of a pen will stop producting these varieties and make them lost forever. Ive asked you a few questions which you have ignored. You are free to say whatever you want and I don't complain or label what you say as a "campaign slogan" or "hollow" which is not respectful. National Geographic Article on GMOs and Florida Orange Juice, reference from the British publication Nature, the pioneering 1973 peer-reviewed paper of CFCs causing the breakdown of ozone was published, https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/sites/default/files/fs_1802_1406-monsantoseedsupd_web.pdf, using taj mahal quartzite for kitchen counter.
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