I look forward to you trying that defence in court. Recasts and piracy, in general, is suddenly on the rise across the hobby as a whole, as other manufacturers and independent artists are also starting to take a hit. Manage Settings Despite asking them to send me the fake Venator model, they sent me the normal fake Tauros model, a shorter version than the one I requested. Yes, this is a business for me, my only job since 25 years, the way I have to pay my bills and keep doing what I love. Got a question? will they invest in all the new technology? people who dont play a game ultimately kill the game/hobby. I perfectly understood is time wasted, but something in me hope you understood the type of scum you and your friend are. This also amounts to stealing somebody elses work. Im not into recasting but what I find ridiculous is Games Workshops prices. For the people threatening to beak people's property quit hidding behind the Internet trying to be macho. Magic stream is great on paper, but in practice its kind of shet. No well known miniature company is safe from this practice. Add to Cart. Home. The people who are buying the recasts are ruining the hobby for the simple reason they are are robbing the people who bring these sculptures to life for us, without out these creative people this hobby wont survive, so are slowly killing it, why would companies carry on if someone is going to rip them off, a lot of these companies are small industries they can not take the financial hit, they are entitled to make an honest living by buying off the pirates, you are steeling money from the people you admire, else why would you be buying the figure in the first place, no doubt the scum who buy these are the same who dont pay for their music and probably have a stash of rip off DVDs too, stop being cheap skates support the talent or loose it. With lots of great listings on ebay and tons more stuff at our Mt. Man, either you are some kid, troll or just an idiot with no capacity to think logically. To view the purposes they believe they have legitimate interest for, or to object to this data processing use the vendor list link below. Now lets say in this situation I have a friend who plays WH and hes a recaster, and he can get me that same army for $50. It is very bad quality, hard plastic etc. Lately all brands have seen how our creations are being reproduced illegally and without any scruples in a massive way. Note that if you make a custom unit set (using the unit_sets table), you can replicate the vanilla rank 7+ groups by checking "use unit EXP level range" and defining the inclusive range, say from 7-9 or 4-9 or whatever. Wait how is this killing the hobby ? CMR Products Inc. is a family-run Model Railroad Hobby Store. Like any economic entity, they need to obey the law of supply and demand ACROSS their customer base. Games workshop has an extremely bad ethic towards its pricing, I saw a comparison of two kits, with a near identical amount of plastic used for the construction and both were released in the same time frame and likely designed side by side. Seriously, those copies are better quality than originals looking only on those pictures. If we demand fairer prices and go outside their control, it is because they are not catering to the majority of their customers. Spikey Bits is a registered trademark of Purple Elephants. They do not give out information about the recasters themselves, and will ban anyone that asks for it. Do they source their injection molds from Australian materials and Mexican labor? (141 boxes sold so far ) 350. We have new vide. We basically pay to perpetuate the work of each and every one of the artists involved in the birth of this miniature. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751316.page, https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/694411.page, http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-38888-41159_Armies%20-%20Imperial%20Guard.html, https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/769289.page. Cdr works by not draining your bar completely when you use your active ability. GW seldom does. The quality is just as good as forgeworld, sometimes you need to add a little greenstuff though but the same goes with forgeworld models. Shall I summon the serf dedicated to worshiping the shavings from your glorious toenails, milord? (and here I come back the argument) its the small independent places that can no longer get the movies into big cinema chains because they wont bring in the numbers to cover the costs. The manufacturer isnt benefiting from this situation either. The one kit, the producers knew was a more elite unit and that people were likely to buy one or two of at most, the other a basic infantry squad and that people were more likely to need a decent handful of. As expected, the pieces to assemble are the same as the original. This is no reason to price them with a disparity of 15-20 thats just a poor outlook. Famous search engines of Chinese products show easily references of companies like Andrea Miniatures, Nocturna Models, Young Miniatures, Knight Models, and many others. Cant have it both ways, either strict on piracy or not. Back in 2018, we saw a similar scene as well: So it appears after raising their prices on Forge World overnight by 20%, or more in some cases, Games Workshop may have started to go after Warhammer recaster companies located in China directly this holiday season. After games workshops 150 million EXTRA prophit in 2018 Im not sure that recasting is harming the hobby in the slightest. 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When Games Workshop uses ONLY domestic materials and employees, thats when Ill stop augmenting my official purchases with personal recasts. There wouldnt BE re-castes is the prices were reasonable in the first place. However, I bring up a different point the recasters, who are using what amounts to slave labor in the sweatshops working with toxic resins? Assume all my mathhammer comes from here: We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. How many of us would not be hobbyists if it wasnt for our local GW? If your opponent goes nuts over the price, likely they were legitimate models. I get that its not just the model, the companies have huge overheads prior to selling a model. Here in Spain we call it Chinoforge, the one that pretty much everyone has heard of. This sort of effect makes even more sense in model games, particularly WH. Please add us to your favorite seller list. I completely agree with your statement. Yes recasts are stealing IP but until GW treats us in a respectable manner, they garner no respect from us and therefore I couldnt care less about their IP. Really you are the idiots here supporting such a corporation. I think theres one thing that need to be said here regardless of ip. We mainly cover Warhammer 40k, Fantasy, Age of Sigmar, Warmachine, Hordes, X-Wing, Infinity, Horus Heresy, and Star Wars Armada. While actual models are 3D printed from a computer file done by a minimun wage payed designer and then casted the most hollow and thin possible to minimize costs and reduce durability. r/totalwar. Warhammer 40,000 - 6 Gaming Accessories - 33 Combat Patrol - 29 Battleforces - 5 Wrath of the Soul Forge King This explosive boxed set is your first chance to get Vashtorr and Azrael. I have about 400 original models and tons of scenery stuff etc so ive spent a fortune. A model makes attacks using the close combat weapon profile if it has no other melee weapons. Provide CPEUs. All of my recasts are better quality that forgeworkd or other manufacturers. The detail on her gun is amazing and looks better than the GW ones that come with the Tau troops. THE CDR STORE. Liste de cadeaux. I would say though that what you talk about is a different topic to what we are discussing in this post. There are few 100% reliable ways to identify a recast, you can only do it on balance of evidence, like an eBay seller shifting dozens of the same unusual casting, and general things that seem suspect. So, no, thats straight up greed, and while morally not as bad as 700% increase on the cost of pharmaceuticals, its the same mindset. But Gillen, whose latest book, Die, is loosely inspired by his own experience playing the Warhammer role-playing game in his teens, says things have changed. I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too). Not the original miniature companies.. I myself am very pro recast, that being said maybe 5-10% of my models are recast. @ Greg Smith: That attitude is killing the hobby. Let explain with the simple aim of making you understand it the true depth of your act. The resin used is crap, brittle, with a lot of detail being lost and probably it is even toxic. Ajouter au panier. Continue with Recommended Cookies. Free To Play Warhammer Combat Cards Jun 3, 2021 Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. For a better comparison, I have cleaned all the copies of excess resin and plastic. All that artistic work, ranging from concept, development, sculpting, marketing or quality control, has a price. This is exacerbated by them constantly suing companies for IP infringement like the Spot the Spacemarine case. There was a demand so the pirates appeared they sell cheaper and often better quality. The black rage is within us all. RELENTLESS 1CP/2CP Text or call our business cell at 360-391-1926 We buy, sell, and trade just about anything New or Used. For the good health of our hobby. Youre obviously not using a good recaster, also you havent mentioned the cheap cost of resin and how much profit is made on resin models. As Infringements Assistant, you will assist with all things relating to infringements. Alecs is really right for all that fantasy models he refers were sculpted by artists and then casted to mass production, usually in metal and made of thick components. On average every 30 recasts bought is one less miniature to the market. Im having to search now forgeworld has stop so many horus heresy models. People who use recast try to paint GW as the bad guy and the others that protect GW dont want to have a conversation or rationalize their thoughts. Exactly so. As evidenced with comments, for a lot of folk price is the issue and they will choose alternative, albeit poor quality. For legit business there is high quality resin, concept art, sculpting fees, box art, advertising and labour, please dont minimise this with a flipant statement. The recasts I buy are better quality and for what I would 80 quid for from forge world I can buy from China for 20 dollars including delivery. Let us know in the comments of ourFacebook Hobby Group,and make sure youenter the latest monthly giveaway for FREE today! Nor over on Volomir talked about some of the reasons why miniature copies need to be []. This model can be equipped with one of the following: 1 heavy stubber; 1 storm bolter. In this role, you will be monitoring websites and sales platforms to identify infringements and counterfeit products and then you will follow a structured process for removing those products, reducing counterfeit products available across all sales platforms and websites. blackmarketminiatures.org online-store where you can buy miniatures of Warhammer, Infinity, Helldorado, Malifaux, Rackham, Dark Age, Kingdom Death, Dark Lands, Warmachine, Avatars Of War and other game universes.. Continue browsing in r/totalwar. Due to 5.11's new guide lines, we can no longer offer 5.11 products because we are web based seller only. Theyre entitled to make a profit sure and Im entitled to shop around. But there is a thing Id wish to point out, its the Chinese stigmatisation I am french living in China for about ten years now, and Chinese bashing is just a constant thing I hear from most of westerners and is absolutely not right either. For example, if a, When a Blast weapon targets a unit that has 11 or more models, do not roll dice to randomly determine how many attacks are made instead, make the maximum possible. "Most of their printing is done in China, including books and boxes, and is likely the part of the package that you got that was made in China." That doesn't add up. This hybrid construction, formed from a FRP shell and a polymer concrete ring and cover, delivers a strong and abriasion-resistant product suitable for your underground enclosure needs. that is a crap attitude, and glad I dont know you and have anything to do with you. We havent got a global Netflix style service with all movies available. as you seem to be proud of the fact you steal form these companies. This would be paradoxal. Welcome to CDR s Yard eBay Store. Night Lords Icon bearer for killteam. Well-versed in the art of war female warrior. The CDR is a rifle designed on the same principles as the original WWSD and the WWSD2020, but with an eye towards budget and parts availability. FWs resin is also crap and brittle, not sure what your point is there. Tbh I wish there was a quality metal recaster of late 90s early 2000s WFB, or that gw would just sell the moulds/ip so I could get the models I want. Last update was at 2017/08/22 23:31:49, This message was edited 1 time. a 6th edition metal dwarf throne of powers market price on ebay is now around 160, thats way beyond the reach of most hobbyists, definitely out of the reach of kids. A dice can never be re-rolled more than once. I would agree with most of the points expressed in the comments, that the moral analysis of recasting begins and ends at theft. My FLGS is not GW. Its nice to see such mature topics being treated with depth. Their heart is closer to their craft, and I could not justify owning their product while paying someone else for it. You speak of donning the black of duty for the red of brotherhood; but it is the black of rage you shall wear when the end comes. I havent bought any GW recasts yet but I support it because if it eventually hurts GW enough that they reevaluate their business practices and lower their prices, that will bring more people into the hobby and overall gaming will be better. It looks all of you here have enough money to afford 300 pounds a month to spend on models. GW also has a massive network of stores. I bet you steal music and movies. There was a study by the EU relating to video games that piracy helped games sell better. If insufficient to move charging unit into. Who does GW employ? They should suffer! Railroad Hobby Store. This was my first purchase from this site, and I can say will not be my last. The more people there are who are anticipating the reveal of new stuff are there because there is an established community and it only gets better the bigger the community is. I wouldnt take a recast even if someone gives it to me for free. produce in the country you sell in and not in china.. then we can talk until then you get what you deserve! The price of the cinema these days is ridiculous. Do they make, from BEGINNING to END, an entirely domestic, clean, and non-toxic product? A movement has started to help raise awareness about the loss of income these folks have started to experience recently. DVD prices havent gone down. In addition to this, the flat parts are not flat by any (ANY) means. cdr shop warhammer Amazon.com: Savage Model 64 Accessories 1-48 of 365 results for "savage model 64 accessories" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. Each time an attack is made with this weapon, that attack automatically hits the target. Many other companies offer products as good as theirs or even better for a lower price. One scratch and the cd buff is gone. Try again. And its not more acceptable if its one of your friends or idols who did it (remember a particular space wolf bust?). I thought he was describing forge world quality there for a second. Especially when taken out of context or without a clue of whats going on here Sure there are Chinese recasters, unfortunately I hate to break it to you, but all of the biggest and well known recasts world wide produced here are made by westerners Bummer. And its not Hollywood that is getting killed. Ok fair enough, our companies are small and action costs. There was something about those little-colored blocks that started it all Twitter @catdaddymbg, Get ad-free access to our hobby videos, a monthly crate of miniatures, and support some of the best creators out there for as little as, If you buy something from a link on our site, we may earn a commision. You think they magically pump out miniatures at just the cost of supplies you are an idiot. Explore Scope and Practice. The first company produces models that are far better sculpts and casts than the second. Buy It Now Fight for the Far Future Big mistake to highlight just one country for recasting. I know I've been sold knock offs two times. Quality and durability is a real issue with their resin, Ive had several LoTR finecast models break on me while gaming far too easily, usually on fine detail or blades thats near impossible to effectively fix. No? You can call people that buy recasts thieves I hope you enjoy your elitist hobby with the few people that can afford to play it. And we wouldnt want you to go through that. This really rips ma knitting this! They are bentor folded, transparent and rough surfaced. Commission on Dietetic Registration. Well look no further today Jay shows you his favorite 40k adjacent models from around the web! Whats the actual law being broken when purchasing a recast? The difficult thing is to develop a miniature from scratch, starting with an idea that begins with just a few pencil strokes on paper. Place your opponent's suspected recast models under high heat for a couple minutes and see what happens. Hubbell Power Systems, Inc. manufactures a wide variety of Quazite FRP, formerly knows as CDR, polymer concrete and fiber-reinforced polymer enclosures. Add to Cart. This subreddit is for anything and everything related to Warhammer 40k. As it goes for GW story is different as plastic is better, quality great and models in box sets are not so expensive. Metallurgy, Mineral & Energy. hide. About 8,000 points of Black Legion Gallery. Youll argue but I havent taken anything and the owner of the IP still has their product. But heres the kicker. That is the price of any original model. But I can spend 25-30 on a recast and its perfect first time. They tried to go public to get quick capitol and ended up eating it. LET THEM sink. Im now buying models that Id never buy because they are crazy expensive, for example forgeworld knights. @Italeri Games Workshop prices are high, but they are not massively greater than companies like Knight Models. Thats despicable. Midlands, UK Closes: May 7, 2023 Vendeur temps partiel (H/F) : Paris Chtelet, France. A model is too expensive in your opinion and dont worth the money? Recasting gives these filthy companies a taste of their own medicine. Double mould lines are no guarantee, original figures in blisters can be found with double cast lines. Hubbell Power Systems, Inc. manufactures a wide variety of Quazite FRP, formerly knows as CDR, polymer concrete and fiber-reinforced polymer enclosures. And that certain details are warped and distorted. They should be 30% of that and maybe nobody would copy that. This is why you cant get preorders this one reseller probably bought over 200 boxes. In the case of this piece, originally from Forgeworld, I had a small problem with the recasters.
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